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Post by Professor Layton on Jun 10, 2014 18:31:41 GMT -5
Palutena and Mii... sooooooooooo unexpected.  Mii is at least gonna be pretty fun to mess with because of all the options and funny things to make a fighter. Plautena though... |
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Post by Byron on Jun 10, 2014 19:27:39 GMT -5
Primo Kid is gonna be top tier.
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Post by Treshulk on Jun 10, 2014 19:39:16 GMT -5
That new open-world Zelda game (not Zelda Warriors) is making me so excited right now, I just CAN'T EVENNNNNNNGGGGG  And if only Miis weren't so dumb looking, I might actually care about that. The customizable feature should've been reserved for Villager, dammit! |
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Post by whipihguh on Jun 10, 2014 23:07:55 GMT -5
Glad to see something in the E3 caught your interest! Palutena and Mii... sooooooooooo unexpected. Mii is at least gonna be pretty fun to mess with because of all the options and funny things to make a fighter. Plautena though...Palutena looks like a fantastic character to play, interesting inclusion or not. You're upset it wasn't King K. Rool, aren't you? That new open-world Zelda game (not Zelda Warriors) is making me so excited right now, I just CAN'T EVENNNNNNNGGGGG And if only Miis weren't so dumb looking, I might actually care about that. The customizable feature should've been reserved for Villager, dammit! The new Zelda does look really good, I'm excited to see what changes Aonuma has for the series, especially with his implications that the character we saw may not be Link. I have to disagree with the Mii comment, though. Villager has plenty of moves that can reference Animal Crossing. Miis really don't have anything interesting for them as characters, they're mostly in sports and fitness minigames. They may be in a kart or plane if you're lucky. Not really anything iconic to base moves off of. The concept here for the Miis is actually rather ingenious, I feel. Miis are customizable, why not make them a customizable fighter as well? Also:
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Post by Professor Layton on Jun 10, 2014 23:41:04 GMT -5
Pac-Man. I actually like that one. Now Palutena just needs to transform into K. Rool. Palutena looks like a fantastic character to play Really? Do tell why. She doesn't look unique in almost any way. |
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Post by Treshulk on Jun 10, 2014 23:47:19 GMT -5
I have to disagree with the Mii comment, though. Villager has plenty of moves that can reference Animal Crossing. Miis really don't have anything interesting for them as characters, they're mostly in sports and fitness minigames. They may be in a kart or plane if you're lucky. Not really anything iconic to base moves off of. The concept here for the Miis is actually rather ingenious, I feel. Miis are customizable, why not make them a customizable fighter as well? I was less annoyed with the idea of Mii's being a completely customizable character, and more just sad we don't get to apply the same mechanics visually to the Villager. Villager can keep all their movesets, I just want to import my look from my 3DS. And yeah, it would be interesting if that wasn't Link~ |
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Post by whipihguh on Jun 10, 2014 23:49:04 GMT -5
Pac-Man. I actually like that one. Now Palutena just needs to transform into K. Rool. Really? Do tell why. She doesn't look unique in almost any way. She seems like a mix of Mewtwo, the other sword fighters, and old-fashioned magic with her moveset. That definitely a very unique combination of traits. And you know, you could always make a King K. Rool Mii. ( ?° ?? ?°)I was less annoyed with the idea of Mii's being a completely customizable character, and more just sad we don't get to apply the same mechanics visually to the Villager. Villager can keep all their movesets, I just want to import my look from my 3DS. And yeah, it would be interesting if that wasn't Link~ That definitely would have been a cool feature. But as characters themselves, though, I feel like they fit pretty well. |
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Post by HumanMeatPuppet on Jun 11, 2014 12:21:26 GMT -5
Sakurai has stated that Greninja is the LAST Pokemon he's adding to the game at the roundtable, so no hope for Grass starters :C Really? Do tell why. She doesn't look unique in almost any way. Did you and I watch the same trailer? Palutena is the most impressive looking newcomer. Each one of her special moves is VERY different from what we've seen other fighters do. She has several recovery options as well as a move that make her run faster than Sonic. SHE'S FASTER THAN THE SPEED OF SOUND! GOT PLACES TO GO, GOTTA... Sorry. I'm very excited to try her out, more-so than any other character. What is it about her that's so generic? I don't see any move that isn't visually impressive. The only moves I see that are similar to any other characters' moves are the teleport, the reflector, the counter, and the Luigi Missile/Skull Bash. Mind you all of these moves can be swapped out for 2 other completely different moves and are likely to work in different ways. I really don't see how she isn't unique... You're probably still salty about Waluigi being in the Assist Trophy Club where he belongs.And if only Miis weren't so dumb looking, I might actually care about that. The customizable feature should've been reserved for Villager, dammit! Every special move in the game can be changed with the custom moveset feature. I don't know what Villager's looks like, but it's there. I'd imagine it would be like Mario where the moves themselves are slightly different rather than new moves like Palutena or Miis simply because it seems like they were already reaching when it came to the Villager's moves. A bowling ball? Not that I don't love the abusrdity, it just shows you that they really were scraping the bottom of the barrel when it came to finding moves for him. On the topic of Miis, this is the best way they could have been done, honestly. Miis could have been stupid Sports game ripoff junkies, but instead we get 3 interesting fighters accompanied with the best opening to a Nintendo E3. Still, they don't look like my cup of tea. Relieved that they don't COMPLETELY suck. I just want to import my look from my 3DS. Miis have custom clothes, you can just pretend to be the character you wanted that for! Pac-Man looks so good! Glad they went with the PacLand look. I'm excited to try him out. His moves look great. That Namco stage also looks like a blast! October is so far away... There's a weird mechanic where your NFC statues have stats and can go up to level 50 computer player and can be used as a tag fighter in matches. I wasn't expecting that at all. It will probably be largely ignored. The site got a new redesign. Maybe the images are the boxart for the games? The Stuff That Isn't Smash, So It's Not Important:
-Hyrule Warriors looks super fun. Buying that when it comes out -Bayonetta was great, and owning Bayo 1 and 2 for Wii U for the same price as 2 is great! -The new Zelda game looks great. Hoping to see actual gameplay soon! -Splatoon can fuck itself with a spoon -Mario Maker is... Cool? -Captain Toad. 10/10. Best game. Would buy 2. |
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Post by whipihguh on Jun 11, 2014 14:05:32 GMT -5
-Splatoon can fuck itself with a spoon I'm definitely not a fan of how we had to see a demonstration of it twice during the livestream, but I...uh... I liked Splatoon. |
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Post by Professor Layton on Jun 11, 2014 14:45:43 GMT -5
My Smash opinions are not popular with the fellows. I'll be honest - what gets me hype is the characters, not the movesets. Palutena as a character is garb. "Oh look, we rebooted a franchise and made a traditionally hot woman who is in one game. Put her in smash!" they said. MegaMan is an important character, hype. Pac-Man is an important character, hype. Even Wii Fit Trainer is hilarious and unexpected, which comes with hype. Palutena is... a nobody. It's true Waluigi never had a chance, I never had any delusions otherwise. Waluigi, in the long run is not very important. However, Waluigi is in more games and more importantly IS INTERESTING. Waluigi is miles better then Palutena (and Rosalina for that matter). You gotta admit... you HAVE to or I'll lose faith in humanity... that, say, K. Rool is more interesting visually, funnier, more important, and has moves that where less made up on the spot (Not that I'm saying she rules him out, or that he is counted in).
As for her moves:
Explosive Light = short range Zelda Din's Fire.
Warp = Mewtwo/Shielk/Zelda.
Reflect = All space furries, Pit, many others BORING.
Counter = I swear, I am fed up with counters. Everyone has one.
Rocket Jump = Many similar straight ups.
Jump Glide = Somewhat similar to Pit or Meta Knight.
Angelic Missile = Luigi head burst, but not as funny.
R-Ritticle(?) = Kind of unique, but not very interesting.
Super Speed = Space Furry illusion, Ike's charge.
Celestial Fireworks is the only one that stands out to me as pretty unique. I know this probably seems super nitpicky because MANY characters have similar moves, but saying she is really unique is a blatant lie. Saying you like her and she looks fun to play is fine, but unique, lie. Although, I have to admit I am confused. It looks like she has like 10 B moves. I know about the customizable moves, but it's looked like it just modified movies slightly rather then changing them to something completely new.
I'm not bitter that characters I want didn't get in. I just don't care for these pointless one-shot characters filling slots that even characters I don't really care about that ARE more important could fill. I'm not a huge fan of Ridley, but Ridley is WAY more important than a supporting character from a single game. In conclusion... Palutena is lame.
P.S. It probably doesn't help my overall hype level is miles lower. Also sorry if I seem like a stick in the mud.
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Post by Byron on Jun 11, 2014 15:34:36 GMT -5
It should have been Eggplant Wizard.
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Post by whipihguh on Jun 11, 2014 15:39:48 GMT -5
My Smash opinions are not popular with the fellows. I'll be honest - what gets me hype is the characters, not the movesets. Palutena as a character is garb. "Oh look, we rebooted a franchise and made a traditionally hot woman who is in one game. Put her in smash!" they said. MegaMan is an important character, hype. Pac-Man is an important character, hype. Even Wii Fit Trainer is hilarious and unexpected, which comes with hype. Palutena is... a nobody. It's true Waluigi never had a chance, I never had any delusions otherwise. Waluigi, in the long run is not very important. However, Waluigi is in more games and more importantly IS INTERESTING. Waluigi is miles better then Palutena (and Rosalina for that matter). You gotta admit... you HAVE to or I'll lose faith in humanity... that, say, K. Rool is more interesting visually, funnier, more important, and has moves that where less made up on the spot (Not that I'm saying she rules him out, or that he is counted in). Here's the difference between Palutena and Waluigi, though. Even if Kid Icarus has few games with it being rebooted and all, Palutena is a major character in the most recent one (I don't know about the others). For a new franchise that's been included in Braw, Palutena is the best choice for Kid Icarus. She's Pit's ally and aid in Kid Icarus. She may not be important to you, but she is very important in the Kid Icarus series. On the other hand, when has Waluigi ever been important? Even Daisy would be a better choice than him, at least she had some importance by actually being in a Mario platformer. The only thing Waluigi has been is "Rival to Luigi in spin-off games". If anything, A WarioWare character would be a better choice than him. And what moves would he have that are distinctly his? Would his moves be wacky and weird? WFT, Luigi and Wario already have that base covered. Would he have absurd moves based on the spin-off games he's appeared in? I guess that'd be fine, but why would that make Waluigi a contender? Daisy's been in more spin-off games than he has. Might as well make it her. Rosalina's actually been in three major Mario games and has moves that can be seen as distinctly hers. So I'd also say she's definitely more interesting and more important. Waluigi is definitely unimportant, but saying that Palutena or Rosalina are worse picks him his an absolute lie. Waluigi really isn't an interesting character. The best I can say for his personality is that he's to Luigi as Wario is to Mario. That's not very interesting either. Even less so, I'd say, than Rosalina or Palutena. Now in terms of King K. Rool, I could see him being a viable character, he had a significant role in DKC and was essentially DK's Bowser. The problem there is was. Since DKC has been revitalized, Retro seems to have went out of their way to never have King K. Rool show up again. Not once. Not even a little mention. So it'd be weird that they'd add a character that Retro seems to have plans of never, ever using again, and as such will never be seen again. Or at best, won't be using for a long time. |
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Post by Byron on Jun 11, 2014 15:45:38 GMT -5
To Layton and I, it's not about being important. It's about being interesting.
Clearly our definition of "interesting" is a divergent one, but that is our curse.
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Post by whipihguh on Jun 11, 2014 15:50:25 GMT -5
I also mentioned how I thought that, on top of being unimportant, Waluigi really has no real personality or any character defining traits that make him a better character to choose than any other nobody in the Mario spin-offs:
I understand that it's not about being important, but if that's the case, you can't then go and complain that Palutena is a nobody. Waluigi is far more of a nobody than Palutena.
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Post by HumanMeatPuppet on Jun 11, 2014 15:56:39 GMT -5
As for her moves: Explosive Light = short range Zelda Din's Fire. Warp = Mewtwo/Shielk/Zelda. Reflect = All space furries, Pit, many others BORING. Counter = I swear, I am fed up with counters. Everyone has one. Rocket Jump = Many similar straight ups. Jump Glide = Somewhat similar to Pit or Meta Knight. Angelic Missile = Luigi head burst, but not as funny. R-Ritticle(?) = Kind of unique, but not very interesting. Super Speed = Space Furry illusion, Ike's charge. -Heavenly Light is a move that is completely new. I still don't understand how it works just by watching it. -Explosive Flame does look similar to Din's Fire, but it looks like it doesn't travel like Din's Fire does. It looks like a preset distance. -Rocket Jump seems like a Down-B move. I haven't seen ANY move in Smash similar to it. (probably only works on the ground) -Reflect is different in that you can throw it down and move freely afterward. She goes back into her neutral animation after throwing it out. I don't think any character has been able to do something similar. -Auto-Reticle is a multi-hitting, lock-on projectile. It looks like the target from Kid Icarus: Uprising, which I thought was cool. -Jump Glide isn't a glide. Meta Knight had a weird flight patter where he looped and was basically at the same height he started at. This move gives her a vertical push and let's her float down slowly. I know this probably seems super nitpicky because MANY characters have similar moves, but saying she is really unique is a blatant lie. Which is it? Am I lying or are you being nitpicky? Which character is she blatantly ripping off? She's not a Falco, a Doc, a Ganondorf, or a Roy. I don't see any other character that has these moves in one package. Some of her moves are derivative of other characters (Hell, most are with a fresh coat of paint) but she brings something new to the table. Even Pac-Man takes some moves from other characters. It's not fair to hold a character to a different standard just because you don't like them as a character. I am inclined to agree with you that her design is straight anime garbage.All the ones I didn't list, I agree with. Especially counter. That seems lazy to me. Although, I have to admit I am confused. It looks like she has like 10 B moves. I know about the customizable moves, but it's looked like it just modified movies slightly rather then changing them to something completely new. The reason she has so many special moves is that she is one of the few characters that has completely new moves instead of just modifications to her old ones. It was posted on the site a little bit ago.One type of custom part lets you change the special attacks of fighters like Mario and Donkey Kong... However, Mii Fighters and Palutena don't have spin-off variations, but rather completely unique types of attacks. This is one of the reasons I see her as a very unique character to play. She has so much variation in her special moves that 2 people playing the same character will have a very different experience. I'm not bitter that characters I want didn't get in. I figured as much, but I like poking fun at your want for Waluigi to be in. |
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Post by Gaytime on Jun 11, 2014 16:11:01 GMT -5
I'm cool with Palutena, games like Poekemon and Mario dominate the roster by having so many characters chosen from their games, they can at least add two from most titles right? And I agree, the idea behind the mii fighters is nice, the customization might add something to the game, but I wish I could put a bag over my mii's head so that I didn't have to look at him. #bagman4smash4
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Post by Byron on Jun 11, 2014 16:51:00 GMT -5
I wish I liked what everyone else likes. I would be so much happier.
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Post by Treshulk on Jun 11, 2014 18:10:05 GMT -5
Kind of an aside from everything, but... I was just wondering: In the past, how many unlockable characters were left unannounced before Smash was released? Should I expect that every character possible is going to be announced, or is there going to be a chance that by the time we all get Smash 4 in our hands, there will still be surprise characters that pop up? I ask because I think my gripe with Palutena (and possibly from others here) is that there are other games being represented in Smash 4 currently that would be far more interesting to pull unique characters from. Metroid, Animal Crossing, and even Sonic... But eh. Actually, you can! Every special move in the game can be changed with the custom moveset feature. I don't know what Villager's looks like, but it's there. I'd imagine it would be like Mario where the moves themselves are slightly different rather than new moves like Palutena or Miis simply because it seems like they were already reaching when it came to the Villager's moves. A bowling ball? Not that I don't love the abusrdity, it just shows you that they really were scraping the bottom of the barrel when it came to finding moves for him. Again, honestly, I couldn't care less about changing the moveset for Villager. I'm more than ok with what I've seen for the character. It's only me being stupid with wishing I didn't have to look like the generic characters from the boxart of City Folk, a game that I came to grow quite tired of after years of trying to get people interested in jumping back on that train after it clearly had been milked dry of any fun lol. And just use a Mii for it...? It's not the same...! I would much rather just play as Mii Hitler~. |
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Post by whipihguh on Jun 11, 2014 18:33:41 GMT -5
Most newcomers tend to be announced prior to the games release, but, as was the case with Brawl, there are usually newcomers that weren't announced that had to be unlocked, like R.O.B., Lucario, and Toon Link. A few veterans are also usually not shown and have to still be unlocked to reveal their existence in game, like Captain Falcon, Ness, and Lucario.
So there will most likely be a few newcomers that we won't know about until the release of Smash 3DS in Japan. For example, someone noticed a Rhythmn Heaven enemy in the 3DS's Smash Run today at E3, so we'll likely get Chorus Men or Man from that game like the rumors suggested.
If you're curious about the other characters rumored to be in the game, they are: Shulk from Xenoblade Chronicles, and Chrom from Fire Emblem:Awakening.
EDIT: I just now noticed how everything, including the playing characters, are rim-lighted in the Galaxy stage, just like in Galaxy itself. That's a nice touch.
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Post by HumanMeatPuppet on Jun 11, 2014 19:05:26 GMT -5
"I can't wait to join the fight! Me, Hitler!"
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